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dudehitscar link=topic=801.msg12145#msg12145 date=1164529118]
For example, Take me down would of never made it onto MCIS.

dougy (cant sign in) link=topic=801.msg12282#msg12282 date=1164633049]
i concur believe, it was a most goodfull song indeed

who cares if it's popular? I'm sure it will rock one way or the other and that's all I care about.

joene link=topic=801.msg12298#msg12298 date=1164659707]
True, but it would be nice to see Billy's hard work finally get the appreciation it deserves. In my opinion, it's been a long time since he has received the attention he deserves for his talent.

stumbleine link=topic=801.msg12182#msg12182 date=1164573558]yeah its terrible. i feel so underprivileged. i dont remember hearing about it on the entertainment news AT ALL. and australia is supposed to be their biggest market outside of america.

Matt[O] link=topic=801.msg12269#msg12269 date=1164619726]
I'm not worrying if the new album will be popular because I know that it will be, but I just hope so much that the emo kiddies that listen to Panic at the disco and My Chemical Romance don't take it and call it their own, because then we'll be apart of the people we all hate so much. But think about if just say SD and MCIS was released in these days(I can't belive I'm saying that) the fans would be all the emo kids of today.

It just makes my skin crawl.

dudehitscar link=topic=801.msg12420#msg12420 date=1164716321]
uh, the 'emo' thing again. Emo is NOT 'basically pop punk'. Just because you don't like Fallout Boy doesn't mean you don't like emo. That's like saying you don't like grunge because you hate Creed. Creed took that sound and watered it down to mainstream bs. It is the same with most of the so-called emo bands that are making money today.

Here are some fucking great bands that have been labeled emo over the years. I challenge all of you to take 20 minutes and listen to these songs and make up your mind once and for all about emo.

Sunny Day Real Estate Download: Seven off the album Diary
Fugazi - Download: Give me the cure off the album 13 songs
At The Drive In - Download: Arc Arsenal or Mannequin republic
Cursive - Download: The Great Decay off Burst and Bloom

If you don't like these songs then I will shut up and let you bash Emo for all it's worth. but I


I will close with this little history of emo:

Originally an arty outgrowth of hardcore punk, emo became an important force in underground rock by the late '90s, appealing to modern-day punks and indie-rockers alike. Some emo leans toward the progressive side, full of complex guitar work, unorthodox song structures, arty noise, and extreme dynamic shifts; some emo is much closer to punk-pop, though it's a bit more intricate. Emo lyrics are deeply personal, usually either free-associative poetry or intimate confessionals. Though it's far less macho, emo is a direct descendant of hardcore's preoccupations with authenticity and anti-commercialism; it grew out of the conviction that commercially oriented music was too artificial and calculated to express any genuine emotion. Because the emo ideal is authentic, deeply felt emotion that defies rational analysis, the style can be prone to excess in its quest for ever-bigger peaks and releases. But at its best, emo has a sweeping power that manages to be visceral, challenging, and intimate all at once. The groundwork for emo was laid by Hüsker Dü's 1984 landmark Zen Arcade, which made it possible for hardcore bands to tackle more personal subject matter and write more tuneful and technically demanding songs. Emo emerged in Washington, D.C. not long after, amidst the remnants of the hardcore scene that had produced Minor Threat and Bad Brains. The term "emo" (sometimes lengthened to "emocore") was initially used to describe hardcore bands who favored expressive vocals over the typical barking rants; the first true emo band was Rites of Spring, followed by ex-Minor Threat singer Ian MacKaye's short-lived Embrace. MacKaye's Dischord label became the center for D.C.'s growing emo scene, releasing work by Rites of Spring, Dag Nasty, Nation of Ulysses, and MacKaye's collaboration with members of Rites of Spring, Fugazi. Fugazi became the definitive early emo band, crossing over to alternative rock listeners and getting press for their uncompromisingly anti-commercial attitudes. Aside from the Dischord stable, most early emo was deeply underground, recorded by extremely short-lived bands and released on vinyl in small quantities by small labels; some vocalists literally wept onstage during song climaxes, earning derision from hardcore purists. Fugazi notwithstanding, emo didn't really break out of obscurity until the mid-'90s emergence of Sunny Day Real Estate, whose early work defined the style in the minds of many. Tempering Fugazi's gnarled guitar webs with Seattle grunge, straight-up prog-rock, and crooned vocals, SDRE launched a thousand imitators who connected with their dramatic melodies and introspective mysticism. Some of this new generation connected equally with the wry, geeky introspection and catchy punk-pop of Weezer's Pinkerton album. While several artists continued to build on Fugazi's innovations (including Quicksand and Drive Like Jehu), most '90s emo bands borrowed from some combination of Fugazi, Sunny Day Real Estate, and Weezer. Groups like the Promise Ring, the Get Up Kids, Braid, Texas Is the Reason, Jimmy Eat World, Joan of Arc, and Jets to Brazil earned substantial followings in the indie-rock world, making emo one of the more popular underground rock styles at the turn of the millennium.

Matt[O] link=topic=801.msg12422#msg12422 date=1164718064]
But the thing that disgusted me the most was the crowd, they were all dressed in black, all had tight drainpipe black jeans on, nearly all had some form of a lip ring, and black hair. But it wasn't just that, it was was they were at (what they called) at rock concert, and they were bearly moving, like the front three rows were sort of, but they are really just a bunch of lifless people who want to be that way because they see these people in their videos acting like life is so hard on them and they want to be like that, but they actually think it's cool, I mean come on?

Eye link=topic=801.msg12519#msg12519 date=1164775570]That actually sounds like the cartoon crowd on The Simpsons in the Homerpalooza episode, when the Pumpkins are playing "Zero". Well more specifically, the barely moving crowd, swaying lifelessly back and forth haha. "Cannon ball guy, he's cool", "Dude, are you being sarcastic?", "I don't even know anymore".

I don't suspect SP to be massively popular again, at least record sales wise. The general public has seemed to have soured on anything Billy related progressively for the past 8 years. Mainstream audiences will find them not 'accessible enough' and the indie scene will regard them as too mainstream, as sellouts because God forbid they actually sell some records, and have more people hear their music. As everything else in life, it seems I am somewhere in the middle, I guess that's one of the reasons SP appeals to me personally.