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I personally don't think they do. Bands I really like will create some awful music video for a song I love. If the video sucks, I just ignore it and pretend it does not exist. Not many bands come out with super original music videos these days anyway. Some slip in the awesome category, but not many.

Yes but I'm talking about the casual fan from original SP who are like...

"Oh yeah, I've been meaning to check out that SP 2. Hmm... Let's see. New video Owata. OK..

...

...

Owata would kill it for me if that was the first sp song i heard. imo

JKrat wrote:
Well then at least if they take another look they'll find some more awesome songs, and end up loving the band And Owata isn't that freaking bad anyway, rather that than some songs from Zeitgeist or a few others out there.

Anyway, do we know Billy's plans really for this yet. A lead single or something maybe, or is waiting until November all we got? I don't know if I can wait that long....

frankB wrote:
As their ears explode in a gush of messy blood...

This was "tweeted" the other day.

@rynda
All I have to say is this.... If you are a @smashingpumpkin fan next week is going to #rock... and it's only the beginning.

I know the tour starts next week, but its just a tour. Nothing revolutionary. The way she words it makes it seem like something big will come.

The album is completed, so I'm inclined to think that we may see a single in the form of Quasar or My Love Is Winter. SPRC is kick-started, the tour is due to commence, Oceania will be "heard" in November...all of which we are already aware of.

What else is there that she could be referring to?

I guess we'll find out next week.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Billy said they will be playing "some" of the Oceania material on this tour that starts next week.... so "some" of Oceania will be heard next week... no?

I loved Zeitgeist.

Audio Zen wrote:
Exactly Correct
Only Some Of "Oceania" Will Be Played In The U.S. Tour
Makes Me Wonder What The Rest Will Be?
Maybe "Gish" And Siamese Dream" Tracks To Hype The Fans To Buy The Upcoming Re-Issues
I'm Attending The Show In LA So I'll Post The Setlist When I Get Back

LostSoul wrote:
I Think She's Just Very Excited
I Can Feel Where She's Coming From
U Know?
Just Waiting To Hear The Unkown On The Re-Issues (As Well As The DVD They Will Come With If I Remember Correctly)
What's Soon To Be Released On SPRC
The Oceania" Release
And The Tour
Like I Said, I Think It's Just Pure Excitement
Cuz I'm Pretty Damn Excited Myself

6And7And3And9 wrote:
It's a very exciting time to be a Pumpkins fan right now.

Dorovo wrote:
Don't count your chickens before they hatch..... Just saying, still not as bad as GNR fans have it though

Musicman11 wrote:
Did we ever have it as bad as a GnR fan has it?

Bolly says this album could make or break the pumpkins. . .

I was just being hopeful.

The more I think about it, the more I think he won't release a single for O. He has been very adamant to say he wants this album to be heard in its entirety. Not to mention his beef with "singles fans" in the first place.

Ronbuca wrote:
www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_mus...f_oceania_fails.html

LostSoul wrote:
I agree, which is why I'm surprised he is playing any of the songs (even though not all) on a tour before it is released (next week). You know as soon as a song is played on tour it will be all over youtube and we will all hear it anyways (well, except the few of us who SWEAR they won't listen before the album comes out).

Fact is most SP fans love whatever Corgan touches regardless of what it is, in my opinion those are the people who are following the band still. SP will never be what they once were, so I don't see this as make or break, that ship kinda sailed. Zeitgeist should have been that album, starting Teargarden should have been that album. Why is he worrying about making or breaking the band 4 years in?

6And7And3And9 wrote:
Aww, that's such a cute poem!

dreamelectric wrote:
I disagree. Zeitgeist was always meant to be the comeback on a low note, and Teargarden was an interesting experiment in its execution. But neither of them were intended at the fore to garner fame and following. I think Oceania is though. Seeing that Bolly knows all the tricks in the pop writer's handbook (SD an MCIS), seeing his fanbase fragment and slip away, and that he now knows the reactions when he ignores the conventions fans expect, I think Oceania is written using every trick in the book. My Love Is Winter is an easy example of this, and the acknowledgement of TG shitty production as "experimenting" (inferring that they are back on track with making sonically comfortable tracks) furthers (in my head) my hypothesis that Oceania is going to be every element the fans love from all eras of the Pumpkins combined into one, with the conscious decision that it should have it's own era sound.

As for being what they once were? Yeah they could be. Not a doubt in my mind. But that is going to require labels ruthlessly promoting their stuff 24/7, paying off reviewers (I wonder what Pitchfork's price would be for a 9.5? Hmmm.) and the band selling their souls to said label, getting a very raw deal in exchange for manufactured fame. It would require "selling out" and adopting a new image that is hip with the highschoolers of today (instead of the weird hippie watercolor thing) to give their music validity with that scene. But I can't see Billy doing any of that. I would imagine the opposite of him... I still wonder about how BIlly got the rights to every song ever from EMI. I would imagine he payed them more money than the albums were anticipated to make in the next 50 years, or he signed a contract that gave EMI 100% of the royalties from every song or album purchased.

And who knows? They might achieve the following they so crave at the moment. They've got to be extremely confident Oceania is going to blow up (or at least proselytized to anyone with an internet connection) to go on a 40 date tour to immediately be followed by a large US tour. To make such a commitment one would have to figure they know from one element to another that there is going to be a degree of success to the album.


OF COURSE! This is all just my casual speculation. Nothing said here is gospel so no shouting please