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Shiny And Oh So Bright, Vol. 1/ LP: No Past, No Future, No Sun 2 months 3 days ago #129575

So, turns out there is a new album on the way (unless this just constitutes as 1 long EP):

"Shiny And Oh So Bright, Vol. 1/ LP: No Past, No Future, No Sun"

Release Date: November 15, 2018

Tracklist:

1. Knights of Malta
2. Silvery Sometimes (Ghosts)
3. Travels
4. Solara
5. Alienation
6. Marchin' On
7. With Sympathy
8. Seek and You Shall Destroy

I'm curious if this is 1 of the 2 EPs Corgan had talked about earlier in the year, or if it's both EPs mashed into one. I'm definitely intrigued as to what all is coming down the pipeline...
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Shiny And Oh So Bright, Vol. 1/ LP: No Past, No Future, No Sun 2 months 3 days ago #129577

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Shiny And Oh So Bright, Vol. 1/ LP: No Past, No Future, No Sun 2 months 3 days ago #129580

I just listened to Silver Sometimes (Ghosts). Very nice. If all 8 tracks on the EP are of the standard of this and Solara then this should easily be the best SP release since Zeitgeist.
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Shiny And Oh So Bright, Vol. 1/ LP: No Past, No Future, No Sun 2 months 3 days ago #129581

It would be nice if there were one or two longer tracks in there too.
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Shiny And Oh So Bright, Vol. 1/ LP: No Past, No Future, No Sun 2 months 2 days ago #129582

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Silvery Sometimes!! Reminds me of a mix between 1979 and TheFutureEmbrace. Also feels like a James Iha song that Billy is singing on, I dig it! Nice to hear a simple melody drone solo instead of a rip your face off shredding one. Sometimes less is better!

A return to form but also definitely a product of the times. I find this song really charming but it also seems to miss the mark for me. On the other hand, I think it's a perfect radio single for today's generation (for better or worse)...

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Shiny And Oh So Bright, Vol. 1/ LP: No Past, No Future, No Sun 2 months 2 days ago #129583

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Silvery Sometimes hasn't clicked for me yet. Too generic. Not enough variation in the song. Lacking hooks. Sounds like they're going for feels but they miss it.

Two songs down from the new album. I'd put both of them in the same category as Being Beige, Anti-Hero and the WPC solo record. Trying but they miss. So yes, I can point to many songs on Monuments that are better than these two songs, and that is disappointing to say the least.
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Shiny And Oh So Bright, Vol. 1/ LP: No Past, No Future, No Sun 2 months 1 day ago #129584

Silvery Sometimes is a large step forward from the half-assed phoned-in lyrics that have plagued the Pumpkins for a very long time. At least Billy is playing with metaphor in this one ("snap like a dragon", "spit like a poet's gun" are particularly interesting lines), if only he could graduate back to clever simile that would be excellent ("morphine cities" says paragraphs of sentiment with just two words). He needs to fucking stop with the vagueness of "its" and nail down specifically what is being said, that is the other lyrical problem that is still present in this one and has been as far back as Machina. Even in fantastic songs like Aeronaut, they only make sense lyrically if you know the subject of them externally - if a listener dropped in and listened to Aeronaut with no idea that Billy had a son, then the lyrics would have zero impact since nothing in them points to a concept, nothing links up the lines. We're in the middle, ghosts? What the fuck does that even mean? In the middle of what? Who's we? What's going on? Snap like a dragon in relation to what? Why? Rathen than painting a grand portrait like Billy was so skilled at doing years ago, each line is its own little tryptych with no clear relation to the others. Since the lyrics don't even have a central concept to tie the action to, all of this surface level pretty prose has no core, no weight. All style and no substance. Still, that's better than neither, as has been the case for a while. Leagues above Solara lyrically, thank god there is still some kind of spark there.

As for the music, the song has the cool nostalgic summer vibe of 1979 and Pennies and it's really great in that regard, the production is also good and each instrument can be heard properly in the mix, instead of the vocals drowning everything like in Solara/Zeitgeist.
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Shiny And Oh So Bright, Vol. 1/ LP: No Past, No Future, No Sun 2 months 1 day ago #129585

I like Silvery Sometimes much more than Solara. Better lyrics for one. Hopefully, all the other songs on the album are at least as good as this one.
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Shiny And Oh So Bright, Vol. 1/ LP: No Past, No Future, No Sun 2 months 1 day ago #129589

Have to say, like Sik and Plasmate, I'm also happily surprised by the lyrics in Silvery Sometimes; some really nice lines (although I also thought Solara had better lyrics than a lot of their post 2007 stuff).

I wonder if the musical similarity to 1979 was intentional? I guess it must have been. I like how it's their but not dominating the song though.
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Shiny And Oh So Bright, Vol. 1/ LP: No Past, No Future, No Sun 2 months 8 hours ago #129591

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I'm curious if this is 1 of the 2 EPs Corgan had talked about earlier in the year, or if it's both EPs mashed into one. I'm definitely intrigued as to what all is coming down the pipeline...

If most of the songs are around 4 minutes then I guess this will only be about 30 minutes long, which I guess could make it an "EP". Then again, Monuments wasn't much longer and that was classed as an album.
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Shiny And Oh So Bright, Vol. 1/ LP: No Past, No Future, No Sun 1 month 4 weeks ago #129599

epitome wrote:
RottingApples wrote:
I'm curious if this is 1 of the 2 EPs Corgan had talked about earlier in the year, or if it's both EPs mashed into one. I'm definitely intrigued as to what all is coming down the pipeline...

If most of the songs are around 4 minutes then I guess this will only be about 30 minutes long, which I guess could make it an "EP". Then again, Monuments wasn't much longer and that was classed as an album.

A recent Facebook post refers to the "forthcoming LP", so I guess it is being considered an album. I presume it will be another fairly short album like Monuments then, unless a few of the songs are surprisingly long. Still, album, EP, doesn't really matter - let's just hope it's good music.
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Shiny And Oh So Bright, Vol. 1/ LP: No Past, No Future, No Sun 1 month 2 weeks ago #129602

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Silvery Sometimes is way better than Solara.
I get the classic 1979-vibe from this; I love the clean guitars, the delicate synths (!) and Billy's voice (!) which is handled well (!), being a little buried in the mix of the music, just like on Mellon Collie.
The lyrics are also leagues beyond "La, la, la, oh-oh, lovers, lovers, Jesus, unicorns".
Nice one!
Might be the best tracks released under the SP banner ever since the Oceania album.
Looking forward to the LP/EP, if there's a good track for every shite one, this will be an EP of four all new but classic SP goodies after all.
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Shiny And Oh So Bright, Vol. 1/ LP: No Past, No Future, No Sun 1 month 2 weeks ago #129606

To be fair, the lyrics to Solara aren't exactly like "La, la, la, oh-oh, lovers, lovers, Jesus, unicorns" either :) I actually really like the lyrics to both songs. At the moment, I slightly prefer Solara overall, but I only listened to Silvery Sometimes twice so it could still grow on me more when I get the album and give it more attention.

At the moment, I would say both Solara and Silvery Sometimes are very good, solid songs although neither is truly great. They are both better than pretty much anything off Monuments or the Teargarden EPs though. If all 8 songs are of that quality then it should at least be a return to an enjoyable SP album, even if it isn't a return to their former greatness.
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Shiny And Oh So Bright, Vol. 1/ LP: No Past, No Future, No Sun 1 month 2 weeks ago #129607

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Both singles miss the mark for me. On Monuments, I'd rate 7/9 songs better than both of them.

On Oceania, I'd rate 11/13 songs better than both of them.

On Zeitgeist I'd rate 11/12 songs better than them.

Not good songs.
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Shiny And Oh So Bright, Vol. 1/ LP: No Past, No Future, No Sun 1 month 1 week ago #129608

frankB wrote:
Both singles miss the mark for me. On Monuments, I'd rate 7/9 songs better than both of them.

On Oceania, I'd rate 11/13 songs better than both of them.

On Zeitgeist I'd rate 11/12 songs better than them.

Not good songs.

I respect your opinion (and obviously it's all subjective anyway), but for me, the only song off Monuments that I would say I like more than either of these new songs is Anaise! Monuments would probably be about equal, maybe Tiberius too, but I would consider the rest to be worse. Then again, I haven't listened to Monuments for a long time - it's the only SP album I haven't bought.

I guess I would say about 8 songs off Oceania are as good as or better than these and on Zeitgeist there are certainly several better songs.

But still, as I do like both songs, this could potentially be a return (for me) to an SP album that isn't mostly shit :billy
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Shiny And Oh So Bright, Vol. 1/ LP: No Past, No Future, No Sun 1 month 1 week ago #129609

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I'm expecting a decent set of songs at least and the two tracks feel exactly like that's what is lying ahead of us.
Falling back into Monuments territory would be a letdown, this has to be the worst thing William Patrick ever has had his name attached to.
I do also respect your opinion on Monuments frankB, but I have recently relistened to that one and, oh boy, it's even worse than I remember.
It's a perfect compilation of everything I CAN NOT stand about Corgan's songwriting and his production sound.
There's no redeeming quality to this album for me whatsoever, and the only purpose of this CD is currently the ability to sacre off guestes with it who overstayed their welcome.
Monuments makes me wanna encage the Teargarden EPs and ZWAN's attempt of an album in gold and listen to them constantly on repeat and those are also some boring stinkers.
But then again, I haven't lsitened to Corgan's music for a long time (except for Monuments and his solo album last year which I quite liked) and I've almost entirely left behind rock music these days (except for some vintage prog here and there), so maybe it's just me.
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Shiny And Oh So Bright, Vol. 1/ LP: No Past, No Future, No Sun 1 month 1 week ago #129610

DON wrote:
the only purpose of this CD is currently the ability to sacre off guestes with it who overstayed their welcome.

:D :james
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Shiny And Oh So Bright, Vol. 1/ LP: No Past, No Future, No Sun 1 month 1 day ago #129618

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Hey. They made a video of "Silvery somtimes"
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Shiny And Oh So Bright, Vol. 1/ LP: No Past, No Future, No Sun 1 month 4 hours ago #129619

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Thank you, it's great and exactly what I wanted to see in a SP video:
A weird sense of humour and some darker images.
Also, it feels good to see Jimmy, James and William Patrick back together (Jeff too, for that matter).
Great video, good song :billy
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Shiny And Oh So Bright, Vol. 1/ LP: No Past, No Future, No Sun 4 weeks 2 days ago #129621

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I don't know if you guys looked this up somewhere else, but I just preordered the upcoming double EP at a German retailer and they had the lengths of all tracks online, so:

Track 1: Knights Of Malta 4:37 min
Track 2: Silvery Sometimes (Ghosts) 3:31 min
Track 3: Travels 5:23 min
Track 4: Solara 4:21 min
Track 5: Alienation 5:01 min
Track 6: Marchin' On 2:39 min
Track 7: With Sympathy 3:30 min
Track 8: Seek And You Shall Destroy 2:45 min

Apparently, the double EP clocks in at 30 minutes exactly.
If they've left off the junk, that's fine with me.
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