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Yes, I am calling it SP2, and if you are to, then why are you still complaining. I still don't see the Zwan comparison. I'm not trying to muzzle you about anything, it's just that at the moment people are judging a book by it's cover. Sure, there are members which people would prefer to have in this new variant, but we haven't even found out who the new people are going to be. All I'm saying is wait until the album comes out.

ummm its just smashing pumpkins not smashing pumpkins 2

I know what you mean. I think "SP2" was just given as more of a era related name or a nickname or something for this variant.

Wait until the album comes out for what??? Dude have you even read the name of this topic...I think your in the wrong place if you no longer want to discuss the band members.

Till you start raggin on it and everybody involved with it.

This is what the threads about.

I'm bored.

Show me where I ragged on anyone involved in it. What you should do is get your buddies to stop ragging on the people not involved in it...someone wrote they wanted a JAmes Iha is a Bitch t-shirt? If the fact that I want James to be in the band upsets you more than someone saying James Iha is a bitch than you should question rather or not YOU are a real fan.

This is not what the threads about - I'm glad you read what Dougy wrote now...What two members would you choose?
He asks a question but instead of answering and participating in the discussion - you are here to talk about how you don't like how others answered the question. Instead of worrying about what I write - why not answer the question yourself and give your opinion. I hate when people come into a thread - not to participate but just to cut someone else down for having an opinion. You never even answered the question Dougy asked in this thread - your very first post was about me. So your opinion is: Believe shouldnt have an opinion??? Get over yourself RJK, your not George Bush and you're not running me out of town.

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1. $$$$$$$$$$$
2. You should talk to whoever wrote about the Iha is a bitch shirt, not me (That was their view, it was only a joke to).
3. I never said I didn't want Iha or Darcy in the band.
4. Yes, I can read
5. My first post in this thread was not about you, i never mentioned you or anybody in it.
6. I'm just saying give everything a chance. That's my opinion, and I've been saying that since my first post in this thread (and yes, maybe it was a little off topic)
7. This thread was about which two you would personally choose to have in the line-up, (maybe you should look at your first post).
8. I'm not trying to run you out of town. Believe me, I respect your view.

This is your first post - does it have anything to do with the topic - or is it just an angry guy upset at others for having different opinions?

(MEANWHILE: you still have not answered the question)


ALRIGHT:

"James Iha is a bitch" is a joke - because YOU find it funny...but if I say something good about Iha - or that I think he added something to the band - I should shut-up because that makes you UPSET . OK. Well then I'm just joking about Zwan - So laugh it off.

See point 6, post above. Yes it was off topic, no, I did not answer the question, but neither did you... I never said I found Iha is a bitch funny, I just said it was a joke. "Laugh it off"?

And lets make this very clear, I never said anything bad about Iha, or about you liking Iha, or about his involvement with the Pumpkins.

I'm going to leave it there Believe, alright? And if it makes you happy, I won't post in this thread again. I'm trying to make amends if I seem to have been an asshole, but I'm more sick of this than when it started. If it means anything (hear comes that word) ... Sorry ... (I do mean that)

I dont wont to argue with you RJK and an apology wasn't necessary. I've been beaten up for my views of the bands current direction and I dont mean to take it out on you buddy...I'm sorry too. Post all you like, its a party man - everyone's invited. - SP LOVE BUDDY

I love you believe, even though we may dissagree. You have just been comming across lately as slightly agressive, maybe im just reading it wrong,but you are entitled to do what you like.

Anyway, which two..... Billy and Jimmy, except jimmy has two arms and a head on his back, and those belong to james consiousness, brings a whole new meaning to the term back up guitarist, OH NO HE DI'NT!

Oh Yes he did! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Sorry Dougy - But i feel I'm being set up for it. People are actually starting whole threads just to get me to say what I think so eveyone can gang up on me. i'm not backing down so maybe it seems I'm being aggressive. It's easy to speak your mind and be cool when everyone agrees with you. When people want your head u must protect your neck.

What some people may not understand is that I'm glad we have a new project on the way - at least it gives us something to talk about, and as you know Dougy - part of me just loves to debate ideas. I'm as loyal to the original pumpkins as some of u are to the new pumpkins but so what? If you believe this album will be the greatest thing ever - BELIEVE by all means BELIEVE - BELIEVE in something! I dont want to steal anyone's hope - but in the end, it is what it is. Its hard for me to be excited because I'm a realist and the fact is - they had a line up that i could be excited about for years because look at the track record when Billy works with James -Its flawless in my eyes BUT i have seen him do a project with Jimmy and others and it was just OK so I'm just looking at facts. It's not a sure thing this time...It could happen - but it's not a SURE THING (IMO). I'm waiting and hoping for something great but I dont want to get myself all excited over the name, I want to be excited over good music. Maybe when something leaks or we get a single i'll give my thumbs up but I'm a hard sell when it comes to music, especially when the motives behind it are cloudy.

With all that said - at the least we will have some Good Music this Summer...even if its not as great as the old pumpkins I do believe Billy and Jimmy are capable of making a good project - heck, even by themselves, but i'm not looking for TFE or Life begins again - that first single better eat my asshole alive like Everlasting Gaze did when I heard it. Then I will Believe.

SP LOVE!!!

I'm not trying to beat you up on your views (sorry if it seemed like I did), and I'm not trying to set you up or anything. I've been dreading reading this thread all day, but now I'm happy!

SP LOVE BELIEVE!

SP love is the bestest.