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Hi, just wondering, was the original Machina track list ever announced?

It was intended to be a double album so I'm guessing it would've been two hour long discs or something similar, like MCIS. I'd be very interested to know what the track list would've been if Virgin would've let Billy release the album the way he really wanted it. So has Billy (or anyone) ever said what it would've been? And if not, can someone ask him for me?

If we could find out, we could put the tracks in that order ourselves and hear the album the way it was meant to be heard

that's an interesting question. i don't know if i have ever heard the answer though.

i wonder if any promo acetates exist of a "double album" version of Machina. i just know of regular Machina and Machina II ones.

Yeah, same here. But with Billy's original idea to release a double album, I'd think the discs would be more evenly balanced in terms of number of tracks, length etc... I'd love to find out what the track list would've been, but maybe we'll never know :S

I remember seeing a scanned picture of Billy's outline of the storyline for Machina on note-paper. Not sure where though =/.

PumpkinPieces wrote:
That'd be right here, IF you can decipher it....

www.smashingpumpkins.com/gallery/pics/Machina_chart.jpg

Supervajra wrote a great series of articles on the GATMOG mystery. If you want to read them, the first one is here:

www.smashingpumpkins.com/pages/articles/...g-back-gatmog-part-1

All 4 of them are really informative reads.

It would be nice if the "real" version (double album) of Machina could be released one day... probably too much to ask for though

Maybe we'll get a proper version of Machina II on CD as part of the subscription service though... if that's still going ahead, I haven't had any emails about it for quite a while now.

It's a bit off, but:
I wish there were SE-re-issues of all old-school albums:

- Gish plus extra tracks from that time (as far as I know there are plenty)

- Siamese incl. Pisces stuff and rarities

- MCIS plus Aeroplane stuff

- Adore plus some of that many Demos

- MACHINA as the supposed double album

that would be awsome!

Yeah, some special editions would be cool.

No point putting Pisces and TAFH stuff on the SD and MCIS special editions though, as most fans would already have all that. There are none-Pisces b-sides they could put on SD, and then rarer demos/live songs might be good.

Anyway, I think we're dreaming here... :P

its never been something thats bothered me as i love machina as is and i love machina II as is even tho it never had anything other than a net release and ....wasnt it released on vinyl in limited numbers? cant remember. i like its disjointedness!!!

Ruby wrote:
Yes, there were something like 25 copies on vinyl that were given to very close friends and family of the band members as a sort of SP parting gift when they disbanded. It'd be absolutely impossible to get your hands on one of them....it's like the holy grail of SP. haha

At the very least I'd like a double CD release of Machina II - with the actual Machina II album on one disc and all the b-side stuff on a 2nd disc. Maybe that's plausible.

I'd still like the proper double Machina album though :P

I have an almost idea about the track list. I'm sure everyone else does too...