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Rivers Cuomo wrote:If you think so, I don't mind that.

To me, the tunes on SD are very well written but the production is just too much.
Too far over top.
Pisces has more honest and artistical feeling to me.
SP sound like a gen-x rockband to me on it.
Not like a guy who forces himself to sound perfect in a studio.
Maybe it would have helped to record the SD tunes in a more living way to get this album over PI in my ranking.
This way, it will remain my least favourite of all original SP releases.
(and I've explained that a thousand times before - you do not have to act that appalled every time)

I've heard over produced before, but SD is not it... it's just WELL produced. one of the best produced albums I've ever heard. Listen to the CRUNCH man. Music doesn't need to be under-produced to be "artistical". If it fits the music, it works.

Besides that, what makes SD perfect is the tracks. Production doesn't matter as much as the music itself. PI music isn't bad, but SD fits together so well. Every song has it's place and it's reason for being there, and it works.

I remember seeing Smashing Pumpkins concert shirts everywhere that said "ALTITUDE NOT ATTITUDE" -- which obviously reminds me of this song. Just as I think there's nothing wrong with liking songs that are dripping with emotional heaviness and weight, I think there's nothing wrong with liking the straight ahead rock songs of Tristessa-Jellybelly-Pissant. No it's not houses of the holy, but neither was Dazed and Confused. I gleefully don't hide my 9 from the world!

Rivers Cuomo wrote:That's exactly the way I think of Pisces

I've always liked the one-two punch of Pissant and Hello Kitty Kat. The louder you play them the better they get 7.0

PI vs SD..Hm...I listen to PI (and like it) more than I do SD, but I will acknowledge SD is a better crafted, better produced album. The thing is, I always found the highlights of Pisces to be better than those of SD. For me, nothing on Siamese Dream compares to the angst captured in Hello Kitty Kat or Frail and Bedazzled, or the simple acoustic feels of Whir and Soothe, or the mellowness in Spaced, Obscured and La Dolly Vita. And Starla? Not even Soma compares to Starla. Siamese Dream is this perfect, meticulously crafted, pristinely produced piece of work. But Pisces offers more varied songwriting, better melodies, and sometimes, just better songs. Siamese Dream sounded way too bloated and forced sometimes as well. Pisces is a more natural approach, and these songs actually sound like a band playing. It's a collection of gems that didn't fit with Corgan's vision of the first two albums, but they came together to make an album that ebbs and flows and is my favorite TSP work.

As for Pissant, it gets an 8.7

I'm going to make a thread for this so it doesn't interfere with the ratings thread.


Pissant 6.7

Murder McMurderson wrote:
Okay

Sometimes I can get carried away. Rating a song is so much fun!

7.5

OKAY THE RESULTS ARE IN!!!

PISSANT scores 68.09%

I'm not sure if that's last, but it's bottom two for sure

HELLO KITTY KAT

Past rated songs:

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1.DROWN 94.76%
2.MAYONAISE 94.63%
3.RHINOCEROS 92.94%
4.Soma 92.81%
5.Hummer 91.09%
6.Cherub Rock 89.42%
7.Window Paine 89.17%
8.Geek U.S.A. 88.94%
9.Snail 88.80%
10.Disarm 88.05%
11.Silverfuck 87.75%
12.Rocket 85.82%
13.Today 84.44%
14.Luna 84.00%
15.Bury Me 83.82%
16.Soothe 83.35%
17.Daydream 81.88%
18.Suffer 81.68%
19.Siva 81.16%
20.Quiet 79.95%
21.Plume 79.12%
22.Frail and Bedazzled 79.00%
23.I Am One 78.95%
24.Whir 77.35%
25.Sweet Sweet 75.97%
26.Tristessa 74.13%
27.Spaceboy 73.35%
28.Crush 72.50%
29.Blew Away 68.22%
30.Pissant 68.09%

Album Average:

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Siamese Dream 85.86%
Gish 82.50%

Rate the given song from 1-10. 1 being the lowest, 10 being the highest
The higher the number, the more you enjoy the song.
You can use any kind of decimal addition you like.
Anything below a 1 will be counted as a 1.
Anything above 10 will be counted as a 10.
If i can't tell what you're trying to rate the song your vote will not be counted.
If you for some reason decide to change your vote, don't modify your first vote, make a new post saying what your old and new scores are.
I'll compile the results for each song once the replies slow down or stop coming in, after that the score is set.
Feel free to discuss.

Another helping of that classic SP sound. 8.5

8.5

I have the feeling a lot of people will be rating this song high.
But personally it's a bit difficult to get into. The production is a little poor, and the guitars a little mundane.
I don't mind the chorus though.

4.8

One of Pumpkins' finest hard rockers.
Yeah, that's kick-ass
9 points from Tätervolkland

One of my favorites of Pisces and I can't help but rate it high on the scale. It gets a 9.

frankB wrote:
I have to admit, when I first got PI, this song didn't really stand-out or appeal all that much to me. I much preferred Pissant and following on from that HKK seemed a bit weak to me. But it grew on me over the years and it has that fuzzy psychedelic sound that I really miss from SP.

8.5

8.5

Murder McMurderson wrote:
holy crap! its hello kitty