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Currently Thinking... 3 years 8 months ago #129188

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Yeah, though the arabic script is a new one... at least now I know how to pitch furniture sales
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Currently Thinking... 3 years 6 months ago #129273

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Hey all, it's been a long time! How's everyone doing?

To follow up on the conversation a couple posts back, I voted for Trump and I have no regrets. I suppose I've had a lot of change politically since I last posted here but I stand by my vote and I think he'll destroy Clinton in the General Election. She's such a crook that Nixon would blush (and I sympathize with Nixon).

It's probably about time I listen to Monuments, I have a friend who tells me how good it is. (I've been skeptical.)

Also, who digs Judas Priest here? I've been on a Judas Priest kick for the past couple of weeks. Such a solid discography that it gives the Pumpkins a run for their money! Sin After Sin and Screaming For Vengeance are my favorite albums but most of their Halford-era stuff is excellent.
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Currently Thinking... 3 years 6 months ago #129274

I'm not American, so not really my business, but Trump sounds completely insane to me. I'd definitely think he sounds a bit too racist to appoint as president, if nothing else. He even makes George Bush (pick one) look rational. I think everyone should vote for me, even though I'm not a candidate and can't legally be a candidate.

I wouldn't bother with Monuments - it's ok, but there's not much of note on there - by far the weakest SP release.
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Currently Thinking... 3 years 6 months ago #129275

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We have enough trouble with the latest landslide successes of Germany's next nazi party (AfD) here, so who am I to complain, but Trump always felt like a spoof of politicians in general to me.
I bet he will be the most entertaining US-president ever, but I'm not so sure what there's actually gonna happen with him in charge.
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It's hard to judge when you don't live in the country, but it seems like America needs a President Trump just to get it out of their system, so they can appreciate normal people like Obama.

The media are pretty savage towards Mr. Trump, painting the Trump voters as Redneck Crazies - but I actually listened to some really strong reasoning on why he's better for the country than puppet bought out by unseen interests.

The stuff I've heard about Hilary Clinton as well makes her seem a complete fake.


No reason not to listen to Monuments and form your own opinion. It's barely half an hour for goddsake.
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Currently Thinking... 3 years 6 months ago #129277

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I've always thought that branding Trump as a racist is an ad hominem strawman designed so people don't actually have to discuss what he's saying. Not only that, but whenever I've asked people what makes him a racist, they point to his presidential announcement speech where he says "They're sending people that have lots of problems...they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people." Nothing there he says is false or "racist", it's a matter of magnitude. Statistically, the amount of rapes that occur to women while getting across the border are pretty vile from what I've read. Here in New Hampshire, you can see the problems of drugs stemming from the drug cartel vividly. There's a huge heroin problem here and I've had friends and relatives succumb to that kind of stuff - vile poison wrecking society. Will Trump actually do what he promises? And if he does, will that solve the problem? I don't know and I doubt if anyone does. But what I do know is that the media and corporate owned politicians seem to revile Mr. Trump and that gives me hope. America is tired of the fake show put on every four years by the facile lobbyist owned parties. They give you the illusion of choice to make it seem like there's a difference. But essentially there isn't. Democrat or Republican, we'll get a pro-immigration/amnesty policy for the democratic voter base (which inherently means bigger government/more spending) and the cheap labor. Democrat or Republican we'll have the government warmongering in some third world country creating destruction and misery for the native people. Democrat or Republican, the government will be beholden to the banks and the Federal Reserve while fiat money keeps getting printed and families become poorer and poorer.

I've heard of the success of the AfD in Germany, though I can't say I have any real contextual knowledge of them as I live in the good 'ol USA. Anyway Don, what leads you to believe they're the next nazi party? Or are you simply exaggerating to make a point? From what I've read, it seems that they want control of Germany's borders again and they want to get the immigration issue under control. After what happened in Cologne on New Year's and all the no-go zones not to mention the "arm's length" advice to women to keep sexual predators away, it seems only natural that the AfD party are growing in popularity. But what's it look like from inside, Don?
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." ~ Jiddu Krishnamurti
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To be honest, the only solution the AfD offers is saving money by excluding anyone and everyone who isn't a native white German christian.
I myself am I native German white atheist, so there's already no room for me.
The AfD pretty much hate on everything that the German mainstream currently dislikes in general and they hardly provide any solution...there wasn't even a proper, official agenda until last week (!).
They're rather a melting pot of disillusioned and dissatisfied DUMB Germans without any clue, rather than a proper party.
The worst thing is, instead of providing some reasonable solutions, they always ramble about "the German spirit", patriotism, being German and so on in their speeches.
Like I said, exclusion is the only solution they have - exclusion of gay people, coloured people, people that aren't christeners, single parents, artists and people who aren't as proud of Germany as they are.
Hell, they even want to rewrite German history i favour of the nazi era (!).
The truth is, Germany can (still) afford all the immigrants and people fleeing from war and whatever.
Our current government is a pain in the ass, sure, but Germans like me still live a wealthy life here - it's all just scaremongering because of some immigrants coming to Germany... and we're most likely the richest country in the entire EU...
And speaking of "sexual assaults"...German girls mostly seem to enjoy getting piss-drunk and dressing up like street whores...so why are they complaining being assaulted by drunk bastards?
It's always a matter of opinion, I guess, and I always considered myself being rather in the social democratic camp, so maybe my opinion isn't en vogue at all, but I'd prefer a profound debate any day in favour of some stupid patriots blaming everyone and anyone except their own narrow-minded smugness.
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Oh lawd, please tell me you're joking about Trump the Rump. I mean, how is he supposed to be the antidote to political fakery when he is the KING of bluster and self-aggrandizement... this man is childish, he defends the size of his ding dong during a televised political debate, he attacks his rivals with 5th grade insults, and he passes off tabloid trash as news...

Do you know why the media is horrified by Donald Trump? Because journalists, as least the good ones, tend to be learned, critical thinkers who pay attention to the world around them. It's their job to call out bullshit when they see it. And Trump is a big, steaming pile of it, with an orange swirl on top.

And as for calling Trump a racist, then that's a pretty strong word and personally, I can't say for sure if he is one. But he definitely and knowingly courts the votes of people who are. And I don't know if he's a xenophobe. But he promotes xenophobic policies, because that's how he'll win over the voters who are.

And I don't know where you get all that Clinton-Nixon stuff, I gather you've been making friends with your local college Republicans chapter or something. For shame, kj, I know you're better than that :darcy
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Currently Thinking... 3 years 6 months ago #129281

Sanders all the way!
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Currently Thinking... 3 years 6 months ago #129283

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Let me preface by saying again that I can't say for sure if Trump is the solution or if he'll do half of what promises on the campaign trail. I can say though with a fair amount of certainty that 4 more years of Obama (i.e. Hillary Clinton) isn't what this country wants or needs. Sanders is a different issue but things aren't looking good for him. If Trump doesn't do what he promises, people will realize very quickly that he was no different from the others and that he did nothing but lie and pander to gain political office. If Trump turns out to be genuine though, the Republican party as it stands will shatter and I believe that's a good thing. This is no longer the party of Goldwater, hell it's barely even the party of Reagan. Buckley is probably turning in his grave watching this election.

It's important to keep in mind that Trump was not only a successful business man, but a very successful entertainment and media personality. Trump knows how get people's attention, he knows how to make them laugh and I suppose you could say that it is a form of emotional manipulation - though it's not very different from the normal emotional manipulation that politicians indulge in, it is simply more theatrical and headline-grabbing. You could say that Trump is a thespian who understood and calculated what needed to be done to win the primaries. Though no one thought he could do it (very few did at least), he managed to pull it off. I highly doubt he'll continue his primary strategy against Clinton, it just won't work. It'll take more of a precise aim and whether or not Trump will manage it is yet to be seen. He needs to go after Hillary's involvement with the cover-ups of the women who accused Bubba of sexual assault/rape, her involvement with Benghazi and of course her ensuing e-mail scandal. He needs to make the issue a matter of judgement rather than Hillary's character.

I think you'd have a difficult time making the case that all journalists, or even the good ones, are intelligent worldly critical thinkers who call out bullshit around them. More often than not, you see them subscribing to an agenda or a narrative. I think the days of journalists being paid to be unbiased, "that's-the-way-it-is" Cronkite-ites is long over. A fairly recent example would be when the media attacked Trump after David Duke, unbeknownst to Trump, more or less endorsed him. The media frenzied and dwelled on this issue for what seemed like a solid two weeks but I didn't see one mainstream outlet bother to mention that Hillary was friends with, and mentored by, KKK veteran Robert Byrd. And it's not just the left-side of the spectrum that is at fault, it's Fox News and their cronies as well.

In regards to my college, I don't even think there exists a Republican chapter and I wouldn't join it if there was. I'm not a party-line guy and I think the majority of people who feel they have to be "one or the other" are deluding themselves and are playing into the old mantra "A house divided cannot stand".


Thanks for the insight Don! Religion definitely gets overused as a political means of control. The two are seemingly inextricable. Such a nascent party as the AfD strikes me as no surprise in their lack of organization and cohesion. The Nationalist rhetoric that you say they are preaching also isn't a surprise. Any country in history that finds that their enemies or threats are foreign always seem to step back in the zone of "For God and Country!".

The exclusions that you say they're encouraging does surprise me though. If the AfD's biggest goal is cutting off immigration, how do blacks and gays relate to that? And artists too? That seems a little absurd.

Historical revisionism is another mainstay. Of course gets rewritten to suit whatever political party is in power. If what you say is true, the AfD likely wants its goals to associated with that of National Socialism. Putin is doing it now in Russia with the Stalin-era - glamorizing authoritarianism and repression with rose-tinted glasses. I also could see how it might be hard to sympathize with the German women who seem to encourage or enable this behavior but that is taking away moral agency from the asshole who raped them. After years of feminism I could see why German men would think though: "You said women were equal to men, and now you want us to protect you?" It's a very difficult social situation when mass immigration happens with people who don't necessarily share either the native culture's values or belief system. It makes integration a mess and that's on full display it sounds with the backlash of AfD. It's an interesting point of discussion for sure and well-founded debates are always more effective than name-calling or rhetoric.
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This is weird.
Over the last few months, I somewhat grew a dislike for loud noises and music in general.
I've hardly ever played a song, let alone an entire album.
Open windows with all the noise from the street coming in make me feel anxious and that constant background muzak everywhere and anywhere I go is highly irritating to me to say the least.
Hell, I usually visit my supermarket to buy me some food and toilet paper, not so much for being pissed off by that constant noodling in the background that never ever stops.
Occasionally I would eventually come back to work on my own music (because there's still so much on my mind), though, but not for long sessions for some reasons.
And yes, here and there were some breakouts when I would listen to a few Wilson classics perhaps, but other than that, music is literally getting on my nerves lately, even the music I like and more so music I don't like which is literally driving me insane wherever it is played.
I'm currently thinking about selling my CD/vinyl collection because I can't really see me coming back to listening to albums, even the great ones.
There's so much noise everywhere!
Why can't people not just shut up and turn off that constant sounds?
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Currently Thinking... 3 years 6 months ago #129286

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DON wrote:
This is weird.
Over the last few months, I somewhat grew a dislike for loud noises and music in general.
I've hardly ever played a song, let alone an entire album.
Open windows with all the noise from the street coming in make me feel anxious and that constant background muzak everywhere and anywhere I go is highly irritating to me to say the least.
Hell, I usually visit my supermarket to buy me some food and toilet paper, not so much for being pissed off by that constant noodling in the background that never ever stops.
Occasionally I would eventually come back to work on my own music (because there's still so much on my mind), though, but not for long sessions for some reasons.
And yes, here and there were some breakouts when I would listen to a few Wilson classics perhaps, but other than that, music is literally getting on my nerves lately, even the music I like and more so music I don't like which is literally driving me insane wherever it is played.
I'm currently thinking about selling my CD/vinyl collection because I can't really see me coming back to listening to albums, even the great ones.
There's so much noise everywhere!
Why can't people not just shut up and turn off that constant sounds?

Noise is a great problem also for me, even if for different reasons.
Destroy the mind - destroy the body - but you cannot destroy the heart
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Currently Thinking... 3 years 6 months ago #129287

DON wrote:
This is weird.
Over the last few months, I somewhat grew a dislike for loud noises and music in general.
I've hardly ever played a song, let alone an entire album.
Open windows with all the noise from the street coming in make me feel anxious and that constant background muzak everywhere and anywhere I go is highly irritating to me to say the least.
Hell, I usually visit my supermarket to buy me some food and toilet paper, not so much for being pissed off by that constant noodling in the background that never ever stops.
Occasionally I would eventually come back to work on my own music (because there's still so much on my mind), though, but not for long sessions for some reasons.
And yes, here and there were some breakouts when I would listen to a few Wilson classics perhaps, but other than that, music is literally getting on my nerves lately, even the music I like and more so music I don't like which is literally driving me insane wherever it is played.
I'm currently thinking about selling my CD/vinyl collection because I can't really see me coming back to listening to albums, even the great ones.
There's so much noise everywhere!
Why can't people not just shut up and turn off that constant sounds?

I've been finding myself a bit bored by listening to music recently which is making me worry that soon I just won't bother listening to any anymore. But I find most things to be even more boring. Fear of a blank planet indeed...
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DON wrote:
This is weird.
Over the last few months, I somewhat grew a dislike for loud noises and music in general.
I've hardly ever played a song, let alone an entire album.
Open windows with all the noise from the street coming in make me feel anxious and that constant background muzak everywhere and anywhere I go is highly irritating to me to say the least.
Hell, I usually visit my supermarket to buy me some food and toilet paper, not so much for being pissed off by that constant noodling in the background that never ever stops.
Occasionally I would eventually come back to work on my own music (because there's still so much on my mind), though, but not for long sessions for some reasons.
And yes, here and there were some breakouts when I would listen to a few Wilson classics perhaps, but other than that, music is literally getting on my nerves lately, even the music I like and more so music I don't like which is literally driving me insane wherever it is played.
I'm currently thinking about selling my CD/vinyl collection because I can't really see me coming back to listening to albums, even the great ones.
There's so much noise everywhere!
Why can't people not just shut up and turn off that constant sounds?

I've been finding myself a bit bored by listening to music recently which is making me worry that soon I just won't bother listening to any anymore. But I find most things to be even more boring. Fear of a blank planet indeed...
This is exactly where I was some weeks ago...maybe we're to old for this?
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Currently Thinking... 3 years 6 months ago #129289

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Not me. I've found heaps of great new music / artists this year.

And I can still find new meaning in songs I've heard a thousand times.
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Not me. I've found heaps of great new music / artists this year.

And I can still find new meaning in songs I've heard a thousand times.

Oh, I'm finding lots of good new music... but although I can tell that it's good, I'm not finding it as exciting to listen to at the moment.

Don, maybe you're right, maybe we are getting too old. Or it could just be because for years now I've been listening to music for several hours a day and it's just becoming too routine. Like, as much as I've just said I'm finding really good new music, new bands, etc, there's never anything about that music that actually sounds new or different to anything I've heard before. But, let's be honest, everything musically has been done. The best anyone can come up with now is to kind of mash up different genres, but that's a novelty rather than anything really new.

I am hoping this is just a bit of a phase though and that I'll soon go back to not caring about the lack of originality or lack of anything new...
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I'm hesitant to post this as the last time I posted an excerpt from someone else's interview it was Wayne Static and he dropped dead a few weeks later. But, here's a bit from a Shirley Manson interview that happened to mention Billy Corgan:

Billy Corgan calls members of my generation overly emotional. But the Smashing Pumpkins made some of the most fragile wallflower music of the ’90s. Do you think that if your generation had access to social media in their adolescence, they would be abusing it like us?

SM For centuries, older people have always perceived younger people to be weaker than they are, which is just nonsense. It’s a joke. Billy Corgan was accused of being oversensitive in his time. It’s the kettle calling the pot black. It’s so hard to define an entire generation based on what you’ve encountered. Honestly, fuck all these boxes. I resist every label, every term, every generalization. So should you. So should everyone else. Fuck the cages. It’s ludicrous.
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epitome wrote:
DON wrote:
This is weird.
Over the last few months, I somewhat grew a dislike for loud noises and music in general.
I've hardly ever played a song, let alone an entire album.
Open windows with all the noise from the street coming in make me feel anxious and that constant background muzak everywhere and anywhere I go is highly irritating to me to say the least.
Hell, I usually visit my supermarket to buy me some food and toilet paper, not so much for being pissed off by that constant noodling in the background that never ever stops.
Occasionally I would eventually come back to work on my own music (because there's still so much on my mind), though, but not for long sessions for some reasons.
And yes, here and there were some breakouts when I would listen to a few Wilson classics perhaps, but other than that, music is literally getting on my nerves lately, even the music I like and more so music I don't like which is literally driving me insane wherever it is played.
I'm currently thinking about selling my CD/vinyl collection because I can't really see me coming back to listening to albums, even the great ones.
There's so much noise everywhere!
Why can't people not just shut up and turn off that constant sounds?

I've been finding myself a bit bored by listening to music recently which is making me worry that soon I just won't bother listening to any anymore. But I find most things to be even more boring. Fear of a blank planet indeed...
Sometimes stuff just gets played out, but that sounds kinda weird, Don. Maybe you need a vacation from sounds. Like a retreat to a Buddhist monastery or something.
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Currently Thinking... 3 years 6 months ago #129293

I've been remedying my musical boredom a bit by delving into the albums of a couple of 90s bands that I vaguely liked but hadn't really properly listened to before. Also listening to other 90s "alternative rock" and punk stuff, which tends to have a lot more energy and passion than most other eras and genres. Maybe that's just what I needed at the moment.

Also been listening to a bit of Marilyn Manson, especially his mid-90s stuff, whilst reading his book The Long Hard Road Out of Hell (good recommendation, Frank).
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epitome wrote:
Also been listening to a bit of Marilyn Manson, especially his mid-90s stuff, whilst reading his book The Long Hard Road Out of Hell (good recommendation, Frank).

Very good book, although it made me quite nostalgic for the 90s, even though I only properly got into MM a few years ago. The Billy references near the end didn't help with the nostalgia I guess.

Kinda depressing that it ends with Manson saying it isn't the peak of his career, it's just the beginning. I suppose his peak did continue for a few more years, but I feel like he expected more. In fact, an impression I got throughout was that he felt destined to make some great changes in America, maybe the world, but I'm not so sure that happened. Still a good book though - I'd love to read more from him, not only about the years following on from this book, but also how he views himself, the media and the world today.
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